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 Post subject: January 24 NG VIntage Tournamet RESULT
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:05 pm 
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42 Strong players

the top 8 after 6 rounds
Ariel using C.U.N.T. vs. yours truly using Tezzeret (WIN)
Jay Rodrigues using Oath (WIN) vs. Archie Co using Selkie-Slam
Marco Deligos using Marcomoeba (WIN) vs. Allan (tama ba?) using BGW aggro
Dave Consunji using Dragon (WIN) vs. J.M. Legend Killer using RGWB aggro

top 4
Jay Rod (win) vs. Marco
Dave (win) vs. yours truly

championship

Jay Rod vs. Dave


Thanks Sawe_chan for posting this early. Night shift kasi ako mamaya pa talaga ko dapat makapag-online.
Maraming salamat sa mga lumaro lalo na sa mga pipol from the far north and south.
Ayus yung top 8 natin well represented yung mga teams and yung mga deck variants.
2 Non-Powered/Bazaar/Workshop deck sa top 8.
Hindi naging problema yung crown control dahil ilalis na yung mga spaces na pwedeng singitan nga mga miron.
Ontime tayo nagstart. Napagpatayan ng ilaw pero bukas pa rin ang McDo for the Finals.

Worth mentioning nga pala yung mga teams na may nagtop 8
Dave = TX
Vanquish = free agent
Andrew = Team Classics
Cador = Team Ruthless
JM = Team Budget
Archie = free agent
Allan = Team Friendly Fire
Ariel = Team 1UP

Team Participation
Teams........Participants.....Top 8
Free Agents..........8...........2
Team 1UP.............7...........1
Team TF..............5
Team Ruthless......5............1
Team Chopsuey....4
Team Rampage.....4
Team TX.............3............1
Team Budget........3...........1
Team TFF............1...........1
Team Classics.......1...........1


Di ko pa nabibilang lahat pero pinakamaraming dumating nung Sunday Team 1UP.


kung sino man makakapag post sa Deckcheck or kung saan man feel free to send yung Decklist.
Ipapa-upload ko din sa NG Forum yung decklists

Top 8 decklist

Andrew Chan
Team Classics
Tezzeret

# Card Name
4 Mana Drain
4 Force of Will
1 Time Walk
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Darkblast
1 Fire/Ice
1 hurkyls' Recall
1 Echoing Truth
1 Rack & Ruin
1 Glen-Elendra Archmage
4 Dark Confidant
1 Misdirection
1 Tezzeret the Seeker
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
2 Sensie's Divining Top
1 Merchant Scroll
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Thinker
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Underground Sea
3 Volcanic Island
3 Polluted Delta
1 Scaldign Tarn
2 Flooded Strand
2 Island
1 Swamp
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Inkwell Leviathan
1 Brainstorm
1 Yawgmoth's Will

Sideboard
# Card Name
1 Goblin Bombardment
1 Spawning Pit
4 Leyline of the Void
1 Arcane Lab
1 Trinisphere
1 Shattering Pulse
1 Rack & Ruin
2 Smother
1 Pyroblast
1 Red Elemental Blast
1 Pyroclasm


David Consunji
Team TX
Minus IS?

# Card Name
1 Sol Ring
1 Mana Crypt
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sensie's Divining Top
2 Island
1 Swamp
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
1 Tolarian Academy
3 Underground Sea
3 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
2 Lim-Dul's Vault
4 Force of Will
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Time Walk
1 Thinker
1 Ancestral Recall
2 Intuition
1 Brainstorm
2 Read the Runes
1 Echoing Truth
1 Thirst for Knowledge
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
3 Thoughtseize
1 Dance of the Dead
2 Animate Dead
2 Necromancy
3 Worldgorger Dragon
3 Dark Confidant
1 Oona, Queen of the Fae
1 Inkwell Leviathan

Sideboard
# Card Name
1 Rack & Ruin
1 Rebuild
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Firespout
1 Tezzeret, the Seeker
1 Time Vault
1 Voltaic Key
1 Yawgmoth's Will
4 Mana Drain
1 Library of Alexandria
1 Volcanic Island


Jay Rodriguez
Free Agent
Dragon Oath

# Card Name
1 Black Lotus
1 Mox Sapphire
1 Mox Jet
1 Mox Pearl
1 Mox emerald
1 Mox Ruby
1 Sensie's Divining Top
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Voltaic Key
1 Time Vault
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
2 Hellkite Overlord
4 Oath of Druids
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Brainstorm
2 Spell Pierce
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Lim-Dul's Vault
2 Fire/Ice
4 Impulse
1 Rebuilt
4 Force of Will
1 Ponder
1 Imperial Seal
4 Thoughtseize
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Time Walk
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Strip Mine
1 Wasteland
1 Volcanic Island
2 Tropical Island
3 Underground Sea
4 Misty Rainforest
4 Forbidden Orchard

Sideboard
# Card Name
1 Inkwell Leviathan
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Pithing Needle
1 Trinisphere
1 Oxidize
1 Anciendt Grudge
1 Pyroclasm
2 Extirpate
4 Leyline of the Void


Marco Deligos
Team Ruthless
Ruthless Dredge

# Card Name
4 Bazaar of Baghdad
4 Undiscovered Paradise
2 Drakmor Salvage
4 Golgari Grave Troll
4 Stinkweed Imp
3 Golgari thug
4 Bloodghast
3 Ichorid
2 Dread Return
1 Angel of Despair
1 Flame kin Zealot
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Narcomoeba
4 Serum Powder
4 Leyline of the Void
3 Chalice of the Void
4 Bridge from Below
1 Darkblast
4 Unmask

Sideboard
# Card Name
4 Chain of Vapor
3 City of Brass
2 Ancient Grudge
1 Pithing Needle
2 Contagion
2 Emerald Charm
1 Ray of Reveletaion

John Michael Crisostomo
Team Budget
Sulit Atake ko Kits

# Card Name
3 Skull Clamp
4 Aether Vial
1 Chrome Mox
1 Mana Crypt
2 Lightning Helix
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Lightning Bolt
4 Dark Confidant
3 Epochrasite
4 Qasali Pridemage
2 Wthersworn Cannonist
2 Gaddock Teeg
3 Grim Lavamancer
3 Jotun Grunt
2 Tin Street hooligan
2 Magus of the Moon
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Taiga
1 Plateau
1 Plains
1 Mountain
1 Strip Mine
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
2 Savanah
3 Wasteland
2 Windswept Heath
2 Wooded Foothills

Sideboard
# Card Name
1 Relic of Progenitus
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Emerald Charm
1 Seal of Primordium
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Ethersworn Cannonist
2 Sting Scourger
3 Shatterign Spree
2 Pithing Needle


Archie Bryan Co
Free Agent
Selkie Strike

# Card Name
3 Tropical Island
3 Tundra
2 Misty Rainforest
3 Flooded Strand
1 Island
1 Forest
1 Strip Mine
3 Wasteland
4 Noble Heirarch
4 Qasali Pridemage
4 Cold-Eye Selkie
3 Tarmogoyf
3 Meddling Mage
2 Trygon Predator
3 Spell Peirce
3 daze
4 Force of Will
1 Misdirection
3 Stifle
1 Mystical tutor
2 Hurkyl's Recall
1 Mox Saphire
1 Mox Pearl
1 Lotus Petal
3 Null Rod

Sideboard
# Card Name
3 Jotun Grunt
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Echoing Truth
2 Krosan Grip
2 Energy Flux
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Umezawa's Jitte


Allan Anyaya
Team Friendly Fire
GWB Beats

# Card Name
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
2 Scrubland
2 Swamp
1 Forest
4 Windswept Heath
3 Bloodstained Mire
3 Wasteland
1 Stripmine
4 Null Rod
4 Thoughtsieze
3 Diabolic Edict
2 Duress
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
4 Noble Heirarch
4 Dark Confidant
4 Qasali Pridemage
3 Gaddock Teeg
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Elvish Spirit Guide
4 Aven Mindcensor

Sideboard
# Card Name
3 Chalice of the Void
3 Krosan Grip
2 Pithing Needle
2 Relic of Progenitus
1 Deabolic Edict
2 Umezawa's Jitte
2 Tormod's Crypt


Ariel Ibayan
Team 1UP
C.U.N.T.

# Card Name
2 Underground Sea
4 Polluted Delta
1 Verdant Catacomb
2 Swamp
1 Island
1 Tolarian Academy
1 Bayou
4 Ad Nauseum
4 Dark Ritual
4 Culling the weak
1 Ancestral Recall
1 Yawgmoth's Will
1 Necropotence
1 Timetwister
4 Phyrexian Walker
2 Shield Sphere
1 Black lotus
4 Chrome Mox
1 Mana vault
1 Mana Crypt
1 Sol Ring
1 Lotus Petal
3 Tendrils of Agony
3 Duress
2 Thoughtseize
2 Cabal Therapy
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Mystical Tutor
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Demonic Consultation
1 Ponder
1 Brainstorm

Sideboard
# Card Name
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Tormod's Crypt
3 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Extirpate
3 Xantid Swarm
1 Tropical Island
1 Pithing Needle
2 Slaughter Pact
1 Yixzid Jailer


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 Post subject: Re: January 24 NG VIntage Tournamet RESULT
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:26 pm 
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please post the top 8 decklist.. thanks! :)


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 Post subject: Re: January 24 NG VIntage Tournamet RESULT
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:46 pm 
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First, I would like to thank NG for hosting this very exciting event and show support to us vintage players, may you continue to have vintage tournaments in the future. Second, kudos to vic (eladamri) for organizing this event in the forums and for running the event smoothly, sana di ka magsawa sa supporta mo. Third, I would like to give special thanks to BIO and sawechan without whom, I wouldn’t have been able to join the tournament, thanks guys. Lastly, I would like to congratulate dave (veilstyle) for winning the event, to my fellow top 8s and to all the players who showed their support for this tournament, mabuhay kayo lahat, til next time.

Mabuhay ang vintage, the only format that will rock your world!

P.S:
@eladamri, how do I claim my worldwake passes nga pala? thanks in advance.



Here’s a short tournament report, enjoy.

SWISS ROUNDS

Round 1 – Joseph Rudio (rainman) with Selkie Strike
2-0
Game 1: Resolved an early oath then got hellkite overlord on the 1st activation followed by Iona on blue the turn thereafter.

Game 2: Resolved an early oath then double dragons attacked for the win

Round 2 – Lance Asprec (lancelot) with Tezzeret
2-0
Game 1: Thoughtseized his protection spell then cast oath, double dragons finishes the game quickly with active ancient grudge in the yard.

Game 2: I managed to resolve oath after he tinkered leviathan with 3 spirit tokens getting me down to 9 life, I oathed hellkite overlord with 2 orchards in play giving me the ability to block his leviathan since I don’t have an island in play, oathed Iona the following turn to suppress his blue spells, the second hellkite overlord joined the next turns alpha strike.

Round 3 – Marco Deligos (cador) with Ichorid
1-2
Game 1: Didn’t manage to delay him long enough to race him with my dragons, zombies ate me alive.

Game 2: I had pithing needle on bazzar and extirpate as back-up to delay him long enough and finish him in two turns with a single 10/8 hellkite overlord courtesy of volcanic island and orchard.

Game 3: My opening seven had oath, AR, Fow, impulse, lotus, orchard, fetch, mox jet, unfortunately I don’t think this hand is at par with the speed ichorid has, I opted to mull to 6 hoping to draw leyline and some broken plays, had almost the same brokenness as with my opening seven but with no graveyard hate, my mull to 5 gave me relic of progenitus but he resolved cotv for zero, was not able to cast any of my black tutors because I only had tropical island in play and a mox jet which I can’t cast. It was all downhill from there and zombies ate my dragons.

Round 4 – Myron Matanguihan (yellow_siomai) with Goblins
2-0
Game 1: Resolved an early oath then reigned with double dragons.

Game 2: Resolved an early oath then reigned with double dragons before I cast pyroclasm to wipe off his board, then went for the throat.

Round 5 – Bernard Faeh (bernardfah) with NSA (2-0)
Game 1: Resolved an early oath and race him with my double dragons.

Game 2: Resolved oath fetching hellkite overlord the next turn and assemble vault-key combo the following turn after I rebuild the board free of sphere effects.

Round 6 – Andrew Chan (sawechan) with Tezzeret
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TOP 8
Archie Co with Selkie Strike
2-0
Game 1: Managed to control his creatures with thoughseize and fire/ice. I was down to 4, afterwhich I hardcasted hellkite overlord for the win, D-A-Y-M!!!

Game 2: Thoughtseized his meddling mage then cast oath to unleash Iona and double dragons.

TOP 4
Marco Deligos (cador) with Ichorid
2-1
Game 1: Can’t say anything about this except that he left bite marks on my dragons.

Game 2: Mulled for leyline and protected it well until cavalry in the form of oath and double dragon arrives.

Game 3: My opening had leyline, spell pierce, pithing needle, mox emerald, relic of progenitus, fetch and underground sea. . . .nuff said.

FINALS
Dave Consunji (veilstyle) with Dr4gon (Transboard to Tezzeret)
0-1
Pinatayan na kami ng ilaw kaya we had to split the prizes and played one game for pride and glory sa mcdo hehe.

Game 1: Dave owned me with a single bazaar activation, discarding worldgorger dragon then cast necromancy to complete the infinite loop.


That’s about it, until next vintage tournament, see you brokebackers on the planes.

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 Post subject: Re: January 24 NG VIntage Tournamet RESULT
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:25 pm 
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congrats to fellow top 8 players, especially to veilstyle and vanquish. there were i think 5-6 ichorid present and i think only 2-3 stax. fought against stax (TPC 0-2), bant aggro (rainman 2-0), goblins (ciandaryl 2-1, forced to consult for yawg will on 3rd game) and selkie (dawgie 2-0), then ID'ed with BGW aggro (Allan A.) tapos tepok agad kay sawechan sa top 8 hehe.

props to the 40+ players who joined the tournament. mas marami pa tayo sa standard hehe! a good way to start the year.. and the decade din hehe. hopefully this strong attendance would lead the way for more tournaments from NG. special thanks to eladamri for spearheading the event.

and special hurrah dahil andami naming 1UP na sumali. akalain mo pati si napz sumali hehe! peace :D

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 Post subject: Re: January 24 NG VIntage Tournamet RESULT
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:50 pm 
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Back to Back wins for Team TX!

Congrats to my other top 8 mates, and my teammates for their eternal support.

I played Minus 15, which is based on the Minus 6 deck of demonic attorney on tmd forums. I changed it and added the tinker shroud monster robot main, plus a few more tweaks for our meta.

Game 1: Zoilo playing mono blue with 4 tezzeret deck
Round 1, I try to go off, thoughtseizing early and often, but he manages to draw into some protection and he drops tezzeret after floating 1 from a drained seize, then proceeds to go infinite immediately
Round 2, I transform and try to go off again this time with tinker, but still he has the protection, and the nuts again to go infinite

0-1

Game 2: Rommel (omheng) playing the Deck
Round 1, I combo out in turn 3, showing him Oona after several bazaars and wipeout his library from the game
Round 2, I transform catch him off guard as he boards in graveyard hate, and I win by assembling the tezzeret vault and attack with bobs and sensei's top for protection

1-1

Game 3: Quinn playing TPS with vault key
Round 1, He manages to quickly assemble the vault and key with all his tutors and he goes infinite
Round 2, I transform, and the plan works. Quinn plays the graveyard hate almost immediately, and I manage to win off a tinker leviathan with some protection
Round 3, He notices something seems off, and doesn't aggressively play graveyard hate I assemble my own tezzeret and vault off drain mana and go infinite

2-1

Game 4: Jemoy (yomej) playing monoblack suicide dark depths
Round 1: I play an early confidant and bob reveals inkwell and force of will successively dropping me to about oh 6 life, I go balls to the wall and animate dead another dark confidant and ride them both for a while (dropping my life to 3, but I manage with a top in play) but he manages to dark blast the confidants, extirpate my necromancy and smack me with his own bob
Round 2: He brings in all the leyline hate, and they all show up, but I win this off a drain into tezzeret and vault plus confidants
Round 3: I manage to tinker for Leviathan early, his sad sac shows up a turn too late, and leviathan gets there

3-1

Game 5: Luis (sgd) playing Tezzerator URB
Round 1: He mulls to 6, and I thoughtseize his hand twice eating a tinker and a dark confidant, he stays mana light with an underground sea and a tolarian which I cancel out with my own tolarian, I quickly setup for an early surprise dragon win and oona eats his library.
Round 2: I transform, drop an early time vault, and he tries to bait my counters, we draw go for a bit, but I manage to counter the spells that matter preventing him from developing his board position, I top deck demonic tutor to fetch the key, with mana floating to go infinite with confidant beats

4-1

Game 6: Archie playing Selkie ID
Round 1: Chinese resto buffet, not that appealing so we go to the next door
Round 2: to Thai buffet for the win
Round 3: Thai buffet is still winning, and I grab some fruit magic to refresh the brain.
4-1-1

Top 8 with JM playing 4c Zoo I hate you everybody deck
Round 1: I try to go off on turn 2, but I forget he has STP, and he stp's me to remind me, then proceeds to beat me down with his aggro mode on.
Round 2: I transform, but he knows my game, and he needles vault on his turn 2, I stay the course and build up my resources, he tries to wreck my toys, I get to drain his hooligans, I get to thirst and ancestral to filter my hand, then I tinker in Leviathan, and he gets there
Round 3: I spend alot of time in sideboarding trying make a hybrid tezzeret dragon (I keep half of each deck type MD) and it starts out more of the same, with him dropping pridemage beats early, I manage to drain his beaters, and finally stabilize after I find tinker for leviathan and the monster robot tramples for the win.

5-1-1

Top 4 Andrew Chan (sawechan) playing Tezzeret
Round 1: I keep a hand of tinker, black lotus, sapphire and some other assorted spells. He plays, I draw into thoughtseize and manage to fish out a drain from him. Tinker Leviathan afterwards gets me there
Round 2: I transform, but he manages to assemble the vault key by turn 3 with black lotus and demonic tutor, and he goes infinite but I'm curious to see his win condition and more of his deck, so he finally drops and wins via Sphinx beats
Round 3: This ones a bit hazy, but I think I won this with on the back of tinker leviathan again.

6-1-1

Finals with Jay Rod (vanquish) Oath (split top prize, and play for 1 round sudden death for kicks)
Round 1: I play my starting 7 holding an echoing truth, bazaar, intuition, necromancy and some lands. I win the die roll and play a land. Jay Rod gets oath out on his first turn and passes the turn. I draw a dragon (combo complete), echoing truth the oath on my turn, beat with the spirit tokens, then he vamps on my end step for an underground sea. Jay Rod plays oath again on his 2nd turn, and it sticks, I draw into a force, drop my bazaar and go dragon for the win

7-1-1

That's it from me. Thanks to everyone who stayed to watch the finals, and for the support.

Its a good win for the team, TX wins it at the end of the decade, and at the start of the new one.

Long live vintage and the community!

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 Post subject: Re: January 24 NG VIntage Tournamet RESULT
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:27 pm 
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Congrats to Dave Consunji and Jay Rodriguez and to the top 8 people as well. (Marco Deligos, Ariel Ibayan, Allan TFF, JM Crisostomo, Archie Co, Andrwe Chan) :) Goodshot nanaman tayo sa Nuetral Grounds for a well supported Vintage tourny. Laro lang ng laro guys para laging buhay ang format natin.

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Congrats sa mga natop 8, to my 1upmate Ariel, Dave, JM, Andrei, Andrew, Archie, Marco at sa Neutral para masiklab na tourney, sana tuloy-tuloy pa din.
Salamat din sa mga fellow 1upmates, Sta.mesa boys (Daryl, AJ at Mike), kay Siomai at sa vintage community dami kong nakuhang edh cards. :)

I went 4-2 using Monobloc:
Gio, Selkie Strike(0-2); Naps, Ewan ko!!! haha (2-0); Bio, Deeznought (2-1); Dave, Dragon (1-2); Kitz, TPS (2-0); Ching, ANT, (2-1)

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akalain mo pati si napz sumali hehe! peace :D

Magretiro ka na Naps!!! :lol:

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Hehehe!!! Ayus Congrats sa top 8 at lalo na sa 1upmate kong si Ariel grabe talaga ung yawgwill parang set. :lol:

Nagtapos sa record na 4-2-0 gamit ang MONORED Goblin, nakakuha ng 2 pack na may 7cc na Vampire!! :$$:

Ravager Stax (2-1), NSA (2-1), Ichorid (0-2), ANT (1-2), 5c Stax (2-1) Oath(Binigay nya ang panalo) salamat Vince!! :love: Hiya tuloy ako sayu. :scared: :oops:

Grabe namagnet ako sa tatlong bakal. :shock:

Salamat sa NG at kay Judge VIC!!! Sa uulitin! :)

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@ Cador, veilstyle, vanquish & sawe_chan,

nakalista na yung name nyo sa mga masterlist ng mga may awarded passes. Just go to the prerelease and sabihin nyo dun sa registration na may awarded pass kayo from the Vintage tournament.

Now if you dont really want to play and you wish to sell the passes. PM nyo na lang sa kin yung name nung gagamit ng passes na nakuha nyo. I'll inform na lang yung NG para updated yung masterlist. Appreciate kung mabibigay nyo sa kin before Wednesday noon.



Worth mentioning nga pala yung mga teams na may nagtop 8
Dave = TX
Vanquish = free agent
Andrew = Team Classics
Cador = Team Ruthless
JM = Team Budget
Archie = free agent
Allan = Team Friendly Fire
Ariel = Team 1UP


Di ko pa nabibilang lahat pero pinakamaraming dumating nung Sunday Team 1UP.


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Congratz sa mga nanalo. Sobrang epic fail yung nangyari sa akin ng game 2 namin ni archie - panalo na dapat na over excite natalo pa tuloy. Til next tourney everyone.

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